Comments on: Still want to reach for that diet soda? http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/ Random things that interest me that I may want to remember later. Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:40:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jason Dragon http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-355 Jason Dragon Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:15:42 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-355 <p>Well aspartame is in MANY more things than just soda. It is a toxin that builds up over time and once you hit a tipping point it gets really bad. Gum and even many toothpastes have huge amounts of this bad stuff. I don't know why they do it, many have said it is another way to control the population. <br /> <br /> If you want to read about other things that people have been brainwashed to want and that are VERY bad then check this site out. <a href="http://www.fluoridealert.org/" title="http://www.fluoridealert.org/" rel="nofollow">www.fluoridealert.org/</a></p> Well aspartame is in MANY more things than just soda. It is a toxin that builds up over time and once you hit a tipping point it gets really bad. Gum and even many toothpastes have huge amounts of this bad stuff. I don’t know why they do it, many have said it is another way to control the population.

If you want to read about other things that people have been brainwashed to want and that are VERY bad then check this site out. http://www.fluoridealert.org/

]]> By: mvi http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-327 mvi Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:42:45 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-327 <p>That site is just designed to scare, not much real science involved</p> That site is just designed to scare, not much real science involved

]]> By: craptaculus http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-326 craptaculus Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:03:13 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-326 <p>Dave: I did read the list of negative research. Studies need to be replicated to see if they are valid. If I report that aspartame makes mice grow giant tumors, it doesn't mean much unless someone else can also do it. Also, the individual studies may or may not apply to normal ingestion of aspartame, but instead huge doses, "test tube results" or even just "related" chemicals. It doesn't mean anything unless it applies to human ingestion of normal amounts.<br /> <br /> Studies need to be replicated to rule out invalid testing procedures, error, researcher bias, or even people just making stuff up. This is why I say my point still stands: no peer-reviewed and replicated studies show that aspartame actually causes problems in humans.<br /> <br /> Your anecdotal story about getting headaches and achy muscles from aspartame is just that: an anecdotal story about getting headaches and achy muscles from aspartame. Anecdotal stories might point out interesting things to scientifically research, but they are not science. 1) you could have an allergy to one or more ingredients, 2) you do not actually *know* that the aspartame gives you that reaction: it could be something else or even psychosomatic; do a double blind experiment to find out.<br /> <br /> Here's my own anecdotal/psychosomatic story. For years I thought I was addicted to caffeine. If I didn't get my tea, soda or coffee by 10 in the morning I'd get headaches and generally feel crappy. Then one day I bought some different tea, drank it and felt fine. It wasn't until the next day that I realized it was caffeine-free. Funny, that. <br /> <br /> We're obviously done here. Don't worry matthew, I won't continue to clutter up your comments.<br /> <br /> The video IS quite scary.<br /> </p> Dave: I did read the list of negative research. Studies need to be replicated to see if they are valid. If I report that aspartame makes mice grow giant tumors, it doesn’t mean much unless someone else can also do it. Also, the individual studies may or may not apply to normal ingestion of aspartame, but instead huge doses, "test tube results" or even just "related" chemicals. It doesn’t mean anything unless it applies to human ingestion of normal amounts.

Studies need to be replicated to rule out invalid testing procedures, error, researcher bias, or even people just making stuff up. This is why I say my point still stands: no peer-reviewed and replicated studies show that aspartame actually causes problems in humans.

Your anecdotal story about getting headaches and achy muscles from aspartame is just that: an anecdotal story about getting headaches and achy muscles from aspartame. Anecdotal stories might point out interesting things to scientifically research, but they are not science. 1) you could have an allergy to one or more ingredients, 2) you do not actually *know* that the aspartame gives you that reaction: it could be something else or even psychosomatic; do a double blind experiment to find out.

Here’s my own anecdotal/psychosomatic story. For years I thought I was addicted to caffeine. If I didn’t get my tea, soda or coffee by 10 in the morning I’d get headaches and generally feel crappy. Then one day I bought some different tea, drank it and felt fine. It wasn’t until the next day that I realized it was caffeine-free. Funny, that.

We’re obviously done here. Don’t worry matthew, I won’t continue to clutter up your comments.

The video IS quite scary.

]]> By: Dave http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-325 Dave Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:28:23 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-325 <p>Sorry Matthew, but I didn't come here for an argument. I only hope that people edu-fy themselves and seek better alternatives. Even sugar, hfcs, or splenda is better then the brain pickling cocktail that monsanto offers. </p> Sorry Matthew, but I didn’t come here for an argument. I only hope that people edu-fy themselves and seek better alternatives. Even sugar, hfcs, or splenda is better then the brain pickling cocktail that monsanto offers.

]]> By: matthew http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-324 matthew Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:22:38 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-324 <p>Dave: that may be the scariest thing anyone has ever posted in a comment on my blog. Consider yourselves warned, gentle readers.</p> Dave: that may be the scariest thing anyone has ever posted in a comment on my blog. Consider yourselves warned, gentle readers.

]]> By: Dave http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-323 Dave Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:07:06 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-323 <p>Did you look at the link? Did you see the list of negative research?<br /> <br /> If there is nothing wrong with nutrasweet, then why does it give me some of the same symptoms as stated on "conspiracy pages"? (e.g. headache, achy muscles)<br /> <br /> Gentle readers, the following is for "craptalicious's" only:<br /> <br /> Mr. Crap, since you have so much trouble reading, (maybe a harmless aftereffect of aspartame?) here is a video for you to watch. The video made by channel 2 news shows that aspartame causes indigestion, makes your hair grow funny, and even hinders good taste in clothing.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" title="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...</a> (not for gentle readers)</p> Did you look at the link? Did you see the list of negative research?

If there is nothing wrong with nutrasweet, then why does it give me some of the same symptoms as stated on "conspiracy pages"? (e.g. headache, achy muscles)

Gentle readers, the following is for "craptalicious’s" only:

Mr. Crap, since you have so much trouble reading, (maybe a harmless aftereffect of aspartame?) here is a video for you to watch. The video made by channel 2 news shows that aspartame causes indigestion, makes your hair grow funny, and even hinders good taste in clothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e... (not for gentle readers)

]]> By: craptaculus http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-322 craptaculus Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:46:32 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-322 <p>Dave: My point still stands: no peer-reviewed and replicated studies show that aspartame actually causes problems in humans. If this "experiment" is valid, it should be extremely easy to replicate and half the scientists in the world would be scrambling to do so and get it published. Thousands more would quickly *replicate* the published studies and the question would be settled. Perhaps they're doing that right now. Perhaps one of the studies listed in the references section will be replicated tomorrow. The FDA may or may not take action (if you believe the conspiracies), but I would and I'd stop using it. <br /> <br /> Because there's "controversy" about aspartame means nothing. I can find "controversies" about almost any product on the market, from MSG to corn sugar to vitamins to herbal remedies to canola oil. All with conspiracies and a "links" to hundreds of diseases. Most are wrong. If and when stevia gets popular, it'll get is own conpiracy pages too.<br /> <br /> I'm sure stevia is perfectly safe, but it hasn't been studied nearly as much as the other artificial sweeteners. Yes, stevia is an artificial sweetener. The only natural sweeteners are sugars. As Bill Maher said, "Milk is only a natural if you're a small cow". Stevia is not natural, and has not been "proven" safe.<br /> <br /> Here's your "controversy" on stevia:<br /> <a href="http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia" title="http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia" rel="nofollow">www.food.gov.uk/multimedi...</a><br /> (I already know about the objections, legitimate and otherwise)<br /> <br /> The "controversies" of stevia and aspartame are actually quite similar, in that there's not much to back up the "dangers" or either.<br /> <br /> </p> Dave: My point still stands: no peer-reviewed and replicated studies show that aspartame actually causes problems in humans. If this "experiment" is valid, it should be extremely easy to replicate and half the scientists in the world would be scrambling to do so and get it published. Thousands more would quickly *replicate* the published studies and the question would be settled. Perhaps they’re doing that right now. Perhaps one of the studies listed in the references section will be replicated tomorrow. The FDA may or may not take action (if you believe the conspiracies), but I would and I’d stop using it.

Because there’s "controversy" about aspartame means nothing. I can find "controversies" about almost any product on the market, from MSG to corn sugar to vitamins to herbal remedies to canola oil. All with conspiracies and a "links" to hundreds of diseases. Most are wrong. If and when stevia gets popular, it’ll get is own conpiracy pages too.

I’m sure stevia is perfectly safe, but it hasn’t been studied nearly as much as the other artificial sweeteners. Yes, stevia is an artificial sweetener. The only natural sweeteners are sugars. As Bill Maher said, "Milk is only a natural if you’re a small cow". Stevia is not natural, and has not been "proven" safe.

Here’s your "controversy" on stevia:
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedi...
(I already know about the objections, legitimate and otherwise)

The "controversies" of stevia and aspartame are actually quite similar, in that there’s not much to back up the "dangers" or either.

]]> By: Kirrus http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-321 Kirrus Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:08:40 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-321 <p>My brother had to completely avoid all aspartame related products when we were growing up: they sent him hyper. I mean, like bouncing-off-the-walls, utterly out-of-control hyper. Worst was the sweet black jacks, for some reason...</p> My brother had to completely avoid all aspartame related products when we were growing up: they sent him hyper. I mean, like bouncing-off-the-walls, utterly out-of-control hyper. Worst was the sweet black jacks, for some reason…

]]> By: Rob J. Caskey http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-320 Rob J. Caskey Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:26:59 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-320 <p>Bunk populist science, period.</p> Bunk populist science, period.

]]> By: Dave http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-319 Dave Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:24:01 +0000 http://matthewhelmke.net/wordpress/2008/02/15/still-want-to-reach-for-that-diet-soda/#comment-319 <p>Yes, there are peer reviews. In fact, 92% of INDEPENDENT research found problems with aspartame, whereas 100% of INDUSTRY FUNDED research show no problems whatsoever. Hmm....<br /> <br /> Doc Walton puts it all in a nutshell:<br /> <a href="http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html" title="http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html" rel="nofollow">www.dorway.com/peerrev.ht...</a><br /> <br /> I am not blindly health conscious. Please feel free to show me a similar controversy with stevia. Thanks in advance.</p> Yes, there are peer reviews. In fact, 92% of INDEPENDENT research found problems with aspartame, whereas 100% of INDUSTRY FUNDED research show no problems whatsoever. Hmm….

Doc Walton puts it all in a nutshell:
http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.ht...

I am not blindly health conscious. Please feel free to show me a similar controversy with stevia. Thanks in advance.

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